Episode 7: Experience vs Enthusiasm with Musa Ayoob | Cyber Brew

Experience vs Enthusiasm with Musa Ayoob | Cyber Brew

Musa Ayoob of NQB Recruitment Solutions joins Lee from ALLOWLIST for a Cyber Brew and to look at the role Experience vs Enthusiasm takes in the realm of cyber security.

How does it play into recruitment, in finding and securing a job? You may be surprised where experience actually fits for most people…

A gripping and passionate conversation, and one not to be missed.

Watch now and find out Musa’s take on Experience vs Enthusiasm!

Musa Ayoob Co-Founder / CEO of NQB Recruitment Solutions Ltd – Bio

Episode 7: Experience vs Enthusiasm with Musa Ayoob | Cyber Brew

Director and CEO of NQB Recruitment Solutions, a boutique recruitment solutions provider specialising in head-hunting tech, cyber security and IoT talent.

NQB Recruitment Solutions works predominantly with SMEs across the UK to connect their clients to the Top 1% of Candidates in Tech and Cyber Security. We have placed Pen Tester, Technical Directors, Sales Directors, Head of Support, 1st / 2nd / 3rd Line Support Engineers, Project Managers and Consultants.

You can connect with Musa on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/musa-ayoob/

If you want to discuss your recruitment needs in greater detail please contact us: 01612919196 or info@nqbrecruit.tech.

Transcript

Lee Gilbank – ALLOWLIST

Cyber Brew time once again. Today we have Musa Ayoob who is one of the co-founders of NQB Recruitment. They specialise in cyber security, tech companies and start-ups and executive level recruitment. Is that right?

Musa Ayoob – NQB Recruitment Solutions

 That’s right, Lee. Thank you.

Lee Gilbank – ALLOWLIST

 Lovely so as it’s Cyber Brew, first question as always – have you got a brew and what are you drinking?

Musa Ayoob – NQB Recruitment Solutions

I certainly have and I’m an avid tea drinker being from the sub-continent originally so for me it’s a it’s tea, a Tetley Tea with milk no sugar. No Yorkshire tea over here, I’ll tell you. 

Lee Gilbank – ALLOWLIST

I notice that it is a branded mug that people do but we’ve already discovered yours is a freebie one.

Musa Ayoob – NQB Recruitment Solutions

Freebie at an Expo about three years ago

Lee Gilbank – ALLOWLIST

Still going strong still going strong. So, this one because you are specialist in recruitment and you have worked in it for another years, I thought the topic would cover the question – experience versus enthusiasm. We all see entry jobs are coming up now saying, entry level job BUT experience needed 25 years. So where are you seeing the market in the moment? What’s your thoughts, what are NQB’s thoughts on this? 

Musa Ayoob – NQB Recruitment Solutions

So, for me I see two extremes I see there’s an extreme whereby you’ve got very high, high skilled, high level cyber security roles or which require someone to have 15- or 16-years’ experience at least. Understand processes like ISO 27001 and the various sort of things within it but you’ve also got a lot of entry roles a lot apprenticeships that sort of Bev, and you know, the Specialists Hub are promoting and pushing forward, and I think for me I think that’s the key. Personally, I think that if the person doesn’t have the right attitude doesn’t matter how much experience they have got, they would be a disaster in the workplace. I think what you need is the right person with the right attitude and that only comes from the person themselves. Their personality, their knowledge, their ability to interact with other people. So, I think enthusiasm is extremely important. Dedication, professionalism, and willingness to look into the marketplace and say, right okay, how do I fit in or what skills do I need to fit into this space. I think too often people go the wrong way. They say right, they start by looking at what sort of certifications are needed and saying right I need to have certain certifications. I think that is complete . Sorry for the language but I think that’s just the wrong way of doing it. I think the first thing you need to work out is what your aptitude is and what you are good at. What would you enjoy and then build it from there? Go in and do a support role for a couple of years. First to understand IT because cyber security is very highly specialised and I think, you know, it is very important that you actually enjoy it. It can be periods where you don’t talk to anybody for a long, long time. Just everything is based on the computer and if that is for you that’s fine but if you’re not somebody that is used to that. Then you might find it quite a challenge. It’s a certain type of person, for example penetration testing is very different from being a is different from someone who’s just looking at processes and procedures. So, you’ve got to really understand and there’s also a gradual line that takes you to a different point depending on what you do. If you don’t have enthusiasm, you may burnout quicker but then if you have too much and spend too much time on things to get too involved again it can kind of go that way.
 

Lee Gilbank – ALLOWLIST

Every company always want that unicorn. But maybe to look more at the enthusiasm pot rather than the experience pot. To find the person where they can gain the experience. Sometimes people with experience, you can get people bringing bad habits. You know they’ve worked in the role for a certain length of time, or this is how we always do it. Yeah, but you are not at that company.  This is completely different processes, procedures, team, and everything.

Musa Ayoob – NQB Recruitment Solutions

One of the things that I I mean my brother and I were talking about, when we scale up eventually next year, when we start to bring people in and how would we do it and I think cyber security and recruitment actually very very similar.  What you mentioned there is the reason why we would not hire experienced people. We don’t want those bad habits we don’t want those nefarious type of recruiter that will basically come in and undo everything the opposite way that we’ve been doing it for last three and a half years and destroy our reputation. I’m 100% in agreement with yourself. I think the important thing is to find those people that are green enough that they are willing to learn, willing to put the dedication in and willing to learn from us. I’ve got 10 years solid recruitment experience that I can impart so much knowledge to a person and the same thing with some of these these very green individuals that want to join cyber security. They can learn so much. They are like a sponge if they have got the right aptitude and enthusiasm and passion.
 
Those senior people above them can really within very short spaces bring them up to such a level but what you want to avoid is those old timers that been in the industry that know it all. That just basically, they know everything. They know everything and you don’t know anything. I think to an extent the industry’s got to be wary of these. I speak to Jay Jay and I speak to Greg quite a bit on LinkedIn and I think they are always banging on about individuals don’t really get it. That they’ve got all the certifications in the book, but they can’t see anything beyond their own scope. They can’t really and they don’t really understand it’s all about ticks in a box, but can they actually do the job.
 
Greg and I’ve got massive discussions on this, the fact that the reason why there is what we deem as a candidate led market and an insufficient number of people within the cyber security industry is not because they aren’t talented people. It is because those at the top want to restrict those people coming in. Those at the top don’t want talented people to come in because they feel threatened by it. Honestly you know I think that’s partly the problem. That you’ve got individuals that are how do you say it, very highly qualified with certifications but how good are they at the job? Are they keeping company safe because look at the number of breaches that happened in the last few years? There were these talented individuals but there are so many breaches. How have they managed to get to people’s data if you have got process at the top and such good individuals at the top with all these certification while the breach is still happening.
 

Lee Gilbank – ALLOWLIST

 Thank you for, it was real pleasure to talk with you. Thank you very much.

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